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Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> writes: > MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer > possible to run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of > Lispworks that will run under Catalina? I've seen reports on Twitter that 64 bit LW runs fine on Catalina. I wasn't even aware that it was possible to run 32 bit LispWorks on recent MacOS versions for the last few years! I started delivering our PrimeTrader application with 64-bit LW exclusively in 2011. -- (espen) _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll need to upgrade to 64bit. Eric ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> wrote: > MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to > run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will > run under Catalina? _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
This is true, but 1. 32 bit LW runs on all other platforms making development on those platforms almost 2x less expensive than on Mac OS (if you do not need 64 bits) 2. LW Personal is only 32 bit Michal > 8. 10. 2019 v 10:22, Eric <eric.lorenzana@protonmail.ch>: > > There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll > need to upgrade to 64bit. > > Eric > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> wrote: > >> MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to >> run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will >> run under Catalina? > > > _______________________________________________ > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
You are correct, but you should be blaming Apple instead. This looks to me more like a pricing concern than a compatibility one. I do not like paying twice the amount for 64bit support either but it is what it is. For me the real question is what will happen with the Personal Edition, which I do not use nor recommend to anyone anyway. Eric ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:29 AM, Krupka Michal <michal.krupka@upol.cz> wrote: > This is true, but > > 1. 32 bit LW runs on all other platforms making development on those platforms almost 2x less expensive than on Mac OS (if you do not need 64 bits) > 2. LW Personal is only 32 bit > > Michal > > > > 8. 10. 2019 v 10:22, Eric eric.lorenzana@protonmail.ch: > > > > There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll > > need to upgrade to 64bit. > > Eric > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker rwiker@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to > > > run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will > > > run under Catalina? > > > > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > > http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
It runs basically, but I would expect glitches. The OS is very new and with complex changes... like changed filesystem access rules. Unless one tested it more deeply and the application code one is writing, I would be careful... > Am 08.10.2019 um 10:06 schrieb Espen Vestre <ev@netfonds.no>: > > Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> writes: > >> MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer >> possible to run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of >> Lispworks that will run under Catalina? > > I've seen reports on Twitter that 64 bit LW runs fine on Catalina. > > I wasn't even aware that it was possible to run 32 bit LispWorks on > recent MacOS versions for the last few years! I started delivering our > PrimeTrader application with 64-bit LW exclusively in 2011. > -- > (espen) > > _______________________________________________ > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
On 10/8/2019 3:42 AM, Eric wrote: > For me the real question is what will happen with the Personal Edition, which I > do not use nor recommend to anyone anyway. Why is that, Eric? It's annoying that it doesn't support autoloading init files. That's the number one annoyance for me as a teacher. But it's far friendlier for beginners on MacOS (the majority of my students) than SBCL or Allegro, IMO. > > > Eric > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:29 AM, Krupka Michal <michal.krupka@upol.cz> wrote: > >> This is true, but >> >> 1. 32 bit LW runs on all other platforms making development on those platforms almost 2x less expensive than on Mac OS (if you do not need 64 bits) >> 2. LW Personal is only 32 bit >> >> Michal >> >> >>> 8. 10. 2019 v 10:22, Eric eric.lorenzana@protonmail.ch: >>> >>> There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll >>> need to upgrade to 64bit. >>> Eric >>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>> On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker rwiker@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to >>>> run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will >>>> run under Catalina? >>> Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users >>> lisp-hug@lispworks.com >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lispworks.com_support_lisp-2Dhug.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rYww9Ur1WoBi28j2XhN4rwFLo31INs66FdFiX_Ro7pI&m=VolyxTBu8Glhu4sf5cVTq_KmlCbhINQ2duh6k7uh6yM&s=EZlCRULd0tD0YulimbDYJu_uCWEwlTVtP1tEV2GzvOM&e= > > > _______________________________________________ > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lispworks.com_support_lisp-2Dhug.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rYww9Ur1WoBi28j2XhN4rwFLo31INs66FdFiX_Ro7pI&m=VolyxTBu8Glhu4sf5cVTq_KmlCbhINQ2duh6k7uh6yM&s=EZlCRULd0tD0YulimbDYJu_uCWEwlTVtP1tEV2GzvOM&e= -- ................................................. Christopher Riesbeck (he/him/his) Associate Professor, Computer Science McCormick School of Engineering, Northwestern University Co-director, The Center for Computer Science and Learning Sciences Home page: https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/ Calendar: https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/calendar-weekly.html _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
Hi Christopher, I say that because while I consider the Personal Edition to be a good and friction-less introduction to Common Lisp, specially compared to the open source alternatives (which is something that should appeal to you and your students), it is not a good representation of what a paid LispWorks product has to offer. My experience is that you cannot write non trivial programs with the PE without it crashing either due to the limited heap size or a bug that is already fixed in newer versions. Examples in the Common Lisp Cookbook and Edi's book either crash or fail to load, while they do work on LispWorks 7. Trying out CAPI (which is one of the biggest selling points for LW) on recent macOS versions still renders those large vertical margins around buttons and makes applications look ugly. Other little things that make a significant difference such as syntax highlighting in the listener are missing as well. The lack of polish compared to the latest versions is there and it makes for a flawed introduction to such an amazing IDE. You may argue that this is not the role of the PE, and that someone interested in purchasing a license should instead ask for an evaluation license straight away, but in my experience this is often not the case and the PE is instead the usual entry point. Hence my comment in the former mail. Eric ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 3:14 PM, Christopher K Riesbeck <c-riesbeck@northwestern.edu> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 3:42 AM, Eric wrote: > > > For me the real question is what will happen with the Personal Edition, which I > > do not use nor recommend to anyone anyway. > > Why is that, Eric? It's annoying that it doesn't support autoloading > init files. That's the number one annoyance for me as a teacher. But > it's far friendlier for beginners on MacOS (the majority of my students) > than SBCL or Allegro, IMO. > > > Eric > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:29 AM, Krupka Michal michal.krupka@upol.cz wrote: > > > > > This is true, but > > > > > > 1. 32 bit LW runs on all other platforms making development on those platforms almost 2x less expensive than on Mac OS (if you do not need 64 bits) > > > > > > 2. LW Personal is only 32 bit > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > 8. 10. 2019 v 10:22, Eric eric.lorenzana@protonmail.ch: > > > > > > > > There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll > > > > need to upgrade to 64bit. > > > > Eric > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker rwiker@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to > > > > > run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will > > > > > run under Catalina? > > > > > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > > > > > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lispworks.com_support_lisp-2Dhug.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rYww9Ur1WoBi28j2XhN4rwFLo31INs66FdFiX_Ro7pI&m=VolyxTBu8Glhu4sf5cVTq_KmlCbhINQ2duh6k7uh6yM&s=EZlCRULd0tD0YulimbDYJu_uCWEwlTVtP1tEV2GzvOM&e= > > > > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lispworks.com_support_lisp-2Dhug.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rYww9Ur1WoBi28j2XhN4rwFLo31INs66FdFiX_Ro7pI&m=VolyxTBu8Glhu4sf5cVTq_KmlCbhINQ2duh6k7uh6yM&s=EZlCRULd0tD0YulimbDYJu_uCWEwlTVtP1tEV2GzvOM&e= > > -- > > ................................................ > Christopher Riesbeck (he/him/his) > Associate Professor, Computer Science > McCormick School of Engineering, Northwestern University > Co-director, The Center for Computer Science and Learning Sciences > > Home page: https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/ > Calendar: https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/calendar-weekly.html _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
We will be making a new release of the LispWorks Personal Edition that will run on Catalina. -- Martin Simmons LispWorks Ltd http://www.lispworks.com/ >>>>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:29:03 +0000, Krupka Michal said: > > This is true, but > > 1. 32 bit LW runs on all other platforms making development on those platforms almost 2x less expensive than on Mac OS (if you do not need 64 bits) > 2. LW Personal is only 32 bit > > Michal > > > 8. 10. 2019 v 10:22, Eric <eric.lorenzana@protonmail.ch>: > > > > There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll > > need to upgrade to 64bit. > > > > Eric > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to > >> run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will > >> run under Catalina? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > > http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users > lisp-hug@lispworks.com > http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html > _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html
Martin, this is great news for our students. Many thanks! Michal > 8. 10. 2019 v 19:58, Martin Simmons <martin@lispworks.com>: > > We will be making a new release of the LispWorks Personal Edition that will > run on Catalina. > > -- > Martin Simmons > LispWorks Ltd > http://www.lispworks.com/ > > >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:29:03 +0000, Krupka Michal said: >> >> This is true, but >> >> 1. 32 bit LW runs on all other platforms making development on those platforms almost 2x less expensive than on Mac OS (if you do not need 64 bits) >> 2. LW Personal is only 32 bit >> >> Michal >> >>> 8. 10. 2019 v 10:22, Eric <eric.lorenzana@protonmail.ch>: >>> >>> There is already a LispWorks version that runs on macOS Catalina. I guess you'll >>> need to upgrade to 64bit. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>>> On Monday, October 7, 2019 7:35 PM, Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> MacOS Catalina is now available, and with Catalina it is no longer possible to >>>> run 32-bit applications. Will there be a new release of Lispworks that will >>>> run under Catalina? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users >>> lisp-hug@lispworks.com >>> http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users >> lisp-hug@lispworks.com >> http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html >> _______________________________________________ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-hug@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html