Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

> I thought this may be of interest - we have shipped First Product - a
> digital livescan fingerprint collection/management system.

Nice work!

Cheers,
Chris Dean

Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

On Oct 17, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Jack Harper wrote:

> we have shipped First Product

Congratulations!

warmest regards,

Ralph


Raffael Cavallaro
raffaelcavallaro@me.com

Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:38:40 +0100, Jack Harper <jharper@frobenius.com>  
wrote:

> Amazing to think of these things running out there in the field on  
> battery power - embedded real-time - happily consing and  
> garbage-collecting away as we speak :)

How was it possible to run lispworks code on an embedded system, if you  
don't mind me asking?

(Yuri) Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

At 02:37 AM 10/18/2010, Yuri Davidovsky wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:38:40 +0100, Jack Harper <jharper@frobenius.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Amazing to think of these things running out there in the field on
>>battery power - embedded real-time - happily consing and
>>garbage-collecting away as we speak :)
>
>How was it possible to run lispworks code on an embedded system, if you
>don't mind me asking?


Hello Yuri -

Good to hear from you.

It is actually "soft realtime/embedded", where we create a <>.exe 
executable file that runs under the Windows XP Embedded ( 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_xp_embedded#Windows_XP_Embedded 
) operating system (we plan to move to Linux soon(ish) once some 
device driver issues are resolved).

The LispWorks Delivery mechanism is used to bundle everything up - 
including our application code and the LispWorks system itself - to 
create the <>.exe file.

When Windows XP Embedded boots, it automatically executes our <>.exe, 
which brings the Lisp system and our application to life.  So, when 
you power up the system, our application automatically comes up with, 
of course, the Lisp environment running underneith.

CAPI is used to handle all of the GUI issues.

The Delivery mechanism "shakes out" all of the unused pieces of the 
LispWorks environment as well as all symbols etc to end up with the 
smallest possible executable.

All of this is documented in the LispWorks Delivery manual.

Happy Regards,

Jack Harper
Secure Outcomes Inc
Evergreen, Colorado USA

Re: (Yuri) Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:50:11 +0100, Jack Harper <jharper@frobenius.com>  
wrote:

> It is actually "soft realtime/embedded", where we create a <>.exe  
> executable file that runs under the Windows XP Embedded (  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_xp_embedded#Windows_XP_Embedded )  
> operating system (we plan to move to Linux soon(ish) once some device  
> driver issues are resolved).
>
> The LispWorks Delivery mechanism is used to bundle everything up -  
> including our application code and the LispWorks system itself - to  
> create the <>.exe file.

Thanks Jack, it was quite enlightening to find out that Lispworks is not  
limited to run only on desktop systems and servers.

Re: (Yuri) Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:11:22 +0100, Tim Bradshaw <tfb@cley.com> wrote:

> On 20 Oct 2010, at 16:05, Yuri Davidovsky wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jack, it was quite enlightening to find out that Lispworks is  
>> not limited to run only on desktop systems and servers.
>
> Possibly off-topic, but isn't LispWorks (or an ancestor of it) what ran  
> in Deep Space One?  Definitely not a desktop application, that...

I think that was it, although I'd imagine running Lispworks on that  
hardware could be a little more complex than in Jack's case:)

Re: (Yuri) Re: (Lisp-HUG) Lisp-based Product Shipped...

At 09:14 AM 10/20/2010, Yuri Davidovsky wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:11:22 +0100, Tim Bradshaw <tfb@cley.com> wrote:
>
>>On 20 Oct 2010, at 16:05, Yuri Davidovsky wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks Jack, it was quite enlightening to find out that Lispworks is
>>>not limited to run only on desktop systems and servers.
>>
>>Possibly off-topic, but isn't LispWorks (or an ancestor of it) what ran
>>in Deep Space One?  Definitely not a desktop application, that...
>
>I think that was it, although I'd imagine running Lispworks on that
>hardware could be a little more complex than in Jack's case:)


Jack says, "Definitely" -

Worst case, I can actually break out the soldering iron and have a go 
at the hardware - or even attach an oscilloscope and watch the bits 
wander about...

Hard to do that when the processor board is bolted onto an ion engine 
and the whole thing is zipping along somewhere between Mars and Jupiter :)


Regards to the List,

Jack Harper
Secure Outcomes Inc
Evergreen, Colorado USA